22. ROBERT BARATHEON VS GREGOR

Robert of the house Baratheon

As champion of the greatest warrior Westeros has
ever known, today I will prove to
everyone reading this debate that Robert of the house Baratheon is not only the greatest fighter in single combat that the seven kingdoms has ever seen, but a military genius with true one shot stop ability. Gregor Clegane is useful when it comes to mowing down swaths of men, but in single combat he has nowhere near the skill or cardio necessary to take down a smashing machine like Robert. Today the mad dog gets put out of his misery for good because of one reason. OURS IS THE FURY!!!! The reasons for Robert’s victory are as follows:

Intelligence in battle

While not necessarily being known for his intelligence and ruling a kingdom, when it comes to battle Robert is keenly smart. He doesn’t just charge forward with reckless abandon like his challenger in this debate. In the battle of Summerhall Robert learns that the forces of house Fell, house Grandison, and house Cafferen are rallying at Summerhall in the Dornish Marches, in an attempt to march on storms end. Catching wind of this, Robert literally races to meet them as he knows that not only can he defeat the three armies, but he could also win their remaining support to his side. Robert took a bet on an outcome that he was not sure of and it turned out to be right. In the battle of Ashford Robert sees that he is down in the fight and knows that if he doesn’t retreat the forces of Randyll Tarly will stop the rebellion before it has a chance to begin in earnest. He wisely chooses to retreat from the Reach and meet up with his allies in the Riverlands. This is evidence that Robert has a far better grasp on the intricacies of battle then the mountain could ever hope to have.

Undefeated in single combat

Woe to the man who ever finds themselves foolish enough to stand in front of Robert in hopes of killing him. While Robert might never have faced anyone with the pure brute strength of Gregor, he has killed men with far more skill than anyone the mountain has ever fought against. At 19 years old he SMASHED Marq Grafton in the battle of Gulltown. The Graftons are a noble house from the Vale who rules over Gulltown, the largest and most prosperous town in the Vale, which essentially means that Marq had enough wealth behind him to be a warrior of considerable skill. In the battle of summerhall, he SMASHED Lord fell(first name unknown) in single combat which likely won the rest of his men to Roberts cause. Robert didn’t stop there, as he SMASHED every whore in the stony sept of the Riverlands and then emerged to lead the counterattack and SMASHED Rhaegar Targaryens friend and former Squire Myles Mooton who was said to be brave and bold. On that day the gods smiled on Jon Connington as he was able to get away with his skull not having been caved in. Robert’s next contest is the stuff of legends, as Rhaegar Targaryen marched on the Trident with a host of 40,000 men. Rhaegar was truly the last Dragon and believed that he was destined by love and fate to overthrow the usurper. However, the gods had other plans and Robert had the FURY! Robert Baratheon SMASHED Rhaegar Targaryen with his Warhammer scattering rubies throughout the waters of the ford and putting an end to a dynasty that lasted nearly 300 years.

Gregor is slow and dumb

The mountain that rides is a giant oaf of a man who possesses incredible strength and wields a 6 foot long sword. He is said to be nearly 8 foot tall and weighing in at 420 pounds. This means that while Gregor may have a considerable amount of strength, he will not have the ability to last as long as he needs against a warrior like Robert. All of those muscles need oxygen in order to function properly and Gregor is also slowed by the enormous amount of armor he wears as protection. He wears a plate helm with only a narrow slit for vision which will hinder him as he will have to look down at Robert. Meaning his own helm is going to hinder him from being able to follow Robert properly all the while being attacked by severely damaging blows. Gregor is strong but that’s all he is.

Robert is faster,and more precise

Robert is not only strong but he’s fast as well. He has to be. A Warhammer doesn’t crash through a breastplate if it’s moving slowly and Robert has also proven that he is very accurate with his Warhammer. Fighters normally come into battle equipped with their weapon and a shield in between them and their opponent. This means Robert has a keen eye for placement and timing and has used it in every one of his battles and will rely upon it most of all in his battle with the mountain that rides dies!

The battle won’t last long

King Robert starts the battle by boastfully singing Fifty-Four Tuns at the top of his lungs. This causes the bear in the pit to move in fear towards the other end where Gregor is. In a Fit of rage the mountain plunges his sword through the neck of the bear and charges Robert in an attempt to halt Robert’s disrespectful singing. Gregor plays right into the hands of Roberts mental games. Robert spins 360° and crashes his hammer into the side of the left knee of Gregor while simultaneously ducking and horizontal attack. Robert then spins 360° the other direction and slams his Warhammer into the right knee of the mountain that sends him crashing to the ground. Robert then puts his Warhammer through skull skull of the mountain like a hammer through a dead dog!

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I feel like every few months there's a new summary of the houses plot for non-readers/watchers lol. But basically, at the beginning of the series house Baratheon is in control of the Iron Throne and King Robert Baratheon rules Westeros, and has been ruling for the past 15 years after overthrowing the Mad King, Aerys II Targaryen. With the recent death of the Hand of the King, Jon Arryn, Robert rides to Winterfell to offer the position to Eddard 'Ned' Stark.

At the same time, Daenerys and Viserys Targaryen, surviving children of the Mad King, are across the Narrow Sea in Essos, where Viserys has just married off Daenerys to Khal Drogo in hopes of getting his Khalasar to help Viserys win back the Iron Throne. on Daenerys' wedding day, she gets the gift of three dragon eggs, a three-headed dragon being the symbol of house Targaryen.

Back in Westeros, Jon Snow, illegitimate son of Ned Stark, plans to go the Wall. It's a gigantic wall of ice manned by the members of the Night's Watch, a group of men dedicated to protecting Westeros from threats from north of the Wall. And that pretty much puts you at the start of the series.

With all the houses being families, I wouldn't feel right giving a personality summary as each character is different. House Baratheon - Sigil: Crowned Black Stag on a Yellow Field - Words: Ours is the Fury - Seats: Storm's End & King's Landing - Head: King Robert House Stark - Sigil: Grey Direwolf on an Ice-White Field - Words: Winter is Coming - Seat: Winterfell, Head: Eddard, called 'Ned.'

House Lannister - Sigil: Golden Lion on a Crimson Field - Words: Hear Me Roar, commonly misattributed as A Lannister Always Pays his Debts - Seat: Casterly Rock - Head: Tywin - Notable for being incredibly rich Targaryen - Sigil: Three-headed Red Dragon on a Black Field - Words: Fire and Blood - Seats: Red Keep (Formerly) Dragonstone (Formerly) Summerhall (Formerly) - Head: Queen Daenerys - "Like their dragons the Targaryens answered to neither gods nor men"

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13. The more people you love, the weaker you are.-CERSEI LANNISTER

“The Winds of Winter” is the forthcoming sixth installment in George R.R. Martin’s famed “A Song of Ice and Fire” series. Despite the enthusiastic fan fare behind the series, George R.R. Martin has been in the process of writing the book for more than 3 years, and there is no confirmed release date in sight. When fans last had a glimpse inside the world of Westeros, Cersei’s position in Kings Landing had changed dramatically from when we first met her as the reigning Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, alongside her brutish husband King Robert Baratheon.

  In the fifth book “A Dance of Dragons” Cersei power and position started to slip from her grasp, her scheming against Margeary Tyrell backfired. In her attempt to have the new, younger and perhaps even more beautiful Queen framed for adultery and high treason, she is in turn arrested by the High Septon and jailed. Most fans agree that “The Winds of Winter” will complete the demise of Cersei Lannister, despite her lioness pride and prowess, she has too many impending threats and not nearly enough allies. At this point in the series, Cersei must contend with threats from the Tyrells, Aegon VI, the High Septon and of course the outcome of her trial by combat seriously determines whether she lives or dies.

Fans agree that the trial by combat will be the most likely be the end to Cersei, and not because they think her mysterious champion Ser Robert Strong will lose, in fact, he will most likely win, but not before being unmasked. Ser Robert Strong is an unknown knight added to the Kingsguard by King Tommenunder the advisement of Cersei’s only ally Qyburn. In the epilogue of “A Dance of Dragons” Kevan Lannister remembers that Meryn Trant claimed that Ser Robert Strong never ate or drank, and Boros Blount said he had never seen him use the privy.

Most theories claim that Strong is in fact a re-animated undead Mountain, who has now loyally servedthe Lannisters both in life and in death. Fans have seen the inclusion supernatural beings in the “Game of Thrones” series before, and despite having varying origins, these creatures all share one important quality in common—they are all extremely difficult to kill. So like Beric Dondarrion, Lady Stoneheart, and White Walkers, Ser Robert Strong will be difficult to complete in this trial by combat. But the problem still remains that if Ser Robert Strong is exposed as being undead, the whole trial will be invalid.

  If his undead origins were exposed during or after the trial, Cersei would be facing even more serious charges in the laws of the Faith. The former Queen regent would face accusations of breaking sacred lawsagainst necromancy from The Faith, meaning her position and more over the Lannisters rule in Kings Landing would come to an end. The continually growing militant of the Faith would revolt against the Lannisters, rendering their control of the Capital useless. The fall of the Lannisters will most likely lead to the rise of the Tyrells, who have always been viewed in a favorable light by those of the Faith and the common folk. After Cersei’s fall and their relinquishment of the crown, Cersei’s children will most likely not fair well in the Capital under the Tyrell’s rule. Cersei will witness the death of all three of her children.

As for love with his brother,

Like all great twin characters in literature, Cersei and Jaime Lannister are incredibly devoted to each other. Unlike the other greats, they also have a lot of sex – with each other. Yikes. There's not much weirder than twincest, especially once you add in the fact that they have kids.

We would love to add a reality check to this (like we've done with most of the Starks) and tell you how old Cersei and Jaime are, but we don't get that information in this book. We also don't get information about their favorite colors or what songs they like to sing. There's actually a lot of information that we don't get about Cersei and Jaime Lannister, because this book isn't really about them. So if you remember the whole incestuous twins thing – and something tells us you will –, you're all set.

My opinion about Cersei is that Without trying to shoehorn my agenda here, I'll piggyback on Robert being more responsible for Joffrey's sociopath tendencies than most readers currently think.

First and foremost, three of the four concerned people are dead. So any new information will have to come in TWOW. (GRRM hassaid we'll learn even more of Robert's Rebellion in the remaining tomes but alas, we wait.)

But what we can do is infer how Joffrey's upbringing might have gone. He's not the most inventive chap, unless he wrote the Dwarfing of Five Kings himself, so I think a lot of his most debased behavior is mimicry.

• He has his Kingsguard beat Sansa. We can be fairly certain he's seen Robert hit his mother. Cersei, however, has taught him he mustn't hit his queen. Based on his lack of forethought and intelligence, Joff undoubtedly thinks this is a perfectly just workaround.
• Joff's posturing and tough talk is practically him channeling Robert. His cruelty to animals is more twisted than Robert's affinity for hunting and mounted trophies, certainly, but you can see in his behavior equal parts wanting to emulate Robert's prowess for killing, and Cersei's inability for empathy.
• Joff's disdain for, or loathsome behavior towards, his siblings is Robert writ young. Over and over we hear of the lack of brotherly love between the Baratheons. Now, we don't hear of torturing each other's pets or anything, but Stannis does kill his own brother for the throne. We chalk that up to Stannis and his red woman and his coldblooded, rule-obsessed nature, but what do we think Robert would have thought of the whole fiasco? I think Robert would be appalled with Stannis for using shadowspawn, but conclude that Renly had betrayed the laws of succession and thus committed treason.

I belabor the point because I've come to view Robert in a rather poor light. From his lack of remorse towards Elia's children, ordering the assassination of a pregnant Dany, and Sansa and Lady at the Darry, we see through Ned just how monstrous Robert can be.

In fact, I don't think Robert and Tywin, the two most influential people in Cersei's life (imo) are that different. Tywin was willing to break the laws of gods and men, and commit legendary brutalities, to vanquish his enemies. Robert was not above the murder of innocent infants. While he didn't commit the murders himself, he pretty much voiced support of the done deed. In one word: ruthless. Both men. One on the battlefield, the other in the command tent/ solar.

So through Cersei's lens of paranoia, cooled by Tywin's constant scheming and maneuvering, and hardened by the isolation of being Robert's queen, Joff is at the breast and suckling from a variety of sociopathic figures: Robert's ultra escapade of misogyny and brutality, and Tywin's power wielding-obsessed path of control.

Since we see Cersei's mind, it's far too easy to attribute much of the mess that is Joff at her doorstep. But like every human ever, she's also a product of her environment: Tywin's eldest child for 18 years. Robert's wife for 16 years. Two colossal figures she looked up to during her formative years.

This line of thought can lead down the rabbit hole, however. But we know Tywin is not like his father, and Robert fostered with Jon Arryn, a man whose advice he did not always heed.

Sorry for focusing on the men when this was supposed to be about Cersei. I just feel strongly that she is equal parts Tywin's ruthlessness and Robert's brutality, resulting in a toxic mess of a woman trying to control child Kings with no one to depend on but herself.

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